Hello. Welcome to the renowned Weekend Gene Pool, in which I will confess a career-jeopardizing unethical action from my past in exchange for soliciting your silly personal anecdotes that are similar but nowhere near as dramatic or entertaining, which I can nonetheless use as fodder for subsequent discussions. I’m trading entertainment for confessions. It’s just how I roll.
Have you considered the possibility that Mr. Carey used your quote as an opportunity to do what he wanted to do all along? Not a coincidence but causation? Dan Sachs. Use my name if you want.
This brought back some memories. In 1987, I worked about two doors down from where Gene was a decade before: I was in the Capitol Bureau of the co-owned, but fiercely competitive Albany Times Union. (I didn't last long - after pissing off three "State Editors" in a row, I was transferred for awhile to night GA.) The Knickerbocker News (The Knick) was a worthy competitor until Hearst closed it. My impression was that we were somewhere in the middle of the Capitol journalistic hierarchy, beneath Newsday, which spoke only to the New York Times, and the Times, which spoke only to God.
Are you sure that fear of practical consequences of unethical behavior is really all that different from fear of shame following unethical behavior? I'm not convinced.
I mean, not that I've ever engaged in unethical behavior of any sort..
Interesting. Happened to have had to check the Nieman Foundation site and decided to look up Your Eminence. Discovered you and your then-soon-to-be-Post-colleague, now assoc. ed. and columnist Eugene Robinson, were in the same class of '88. Btw --- what was your usually required project or study area ? Or was your time spent largely ruminating at the bar at Grendel's ?
So, where would you put the manipulation of the truth (as you've fessed up to doing in an, as you put it, "...explicable, defensible, and trivial.." way in your former existence ) vs. lying, on the transgression scale ? Is the former merely a euphemism for the latter ? Or is it really a matter of "no harm, no foul" --- in your view --- so long as the point or story remains essentially valid ? The ancient Greeks were big on alternate versions of almost every myth. Dramatist Euripides, for example, has Oedipus continuing to live with his mother after the truth is revealed. In other words, is a valid appearance the same as reality or telling the absolute truth --- and does it (or should it) matter to the audience ? Moreover, does it matter what is being communicated and by whom ?
Have you considered the possibility that Mr. Carey used your quote as an opportunity to do what he wanted to do all along? Not a coincidence but causation? Dan Sachs. Use my name if you want.
This brought back some memories. In 1987, I worked about two doors down from where Gene was a decade before: I was in the Capitol Bureau of the co-owned, but fiercely competitive Albany Times Union. (I didn't last long - after pissing off three "State Editors" in a row, I was transferred for awhile to night GA.) The Knickerbocker News (The Knick) was a worthy competitor until Hearst closed it. My impression was that we were somewhere in the middle of the Capitol journalistic hierarchy, beneath Newsday, which spoke only to the New York Times, and the Times, which spoke only to God.
Are you sure that fear of practical consequences of unethical behavior is really all that different from fear of shame following unethical behavior? I'm not convinced.
I mean, not that I've ever engaged in unethical behavior of any sort..
As a cub reporter you were a very big fish?
suggestions for a new fun game.
hack the RNC name game.
what's your first name ? you used to be able to get at least >100 letters.
last name, same.
hack the RNC "bank your vote"
https://bankyourvote.com/ they literally _never_ (up til now) vet anything and still have Rona's picture.
Interesting. Happened to have had to check the Nieman Foundation site and decided to look up Your Eminence. Discovered you and your then-soon-to-be-Post-colleague, now assoc. ed. and columnist Eugene Robinson, were in the same class of '88. Btw --- what was your usually required project or study area ? Or was your time spent largely ruminating at the bar at Grendel's ?
So, where would you put the manipulation of the truth (as you've fessed up to doing in an, as you put it, "...explicable, defensible, and trivial.." way in your former existence ) vs. lying, on the transgression scale ? Is the former merely a euphemism for the latter ? Or is it really a matter of "no harm, no foul" --- in your view --- so long as the point or story remains essentially valid ? The ancient Greeks were big on alternate versions of almost every myth. Dramatist Euripides, for example, has Oedipus continuing to live with his mother after the truth is revealed. In other words, is a valid appearance the same as reality or telling the absolute truth --- and does it (or should it) matter to the audience ? Moreover, does it matter what is being communicated and by whom ?