I guess I’ll… sort of… defend this. I read and 100% agree with the endorsements in the NYT, New Yorker, and the Atlantic. But reading them I couldn’t help being like… who is this for? Is it for me to nod along with? That’s not helpful… I don’t really need the NYT editorial board to explain why Trump is terrible. Is ANY potential Trump vo…
I guess I’ll… sort of… defend this. I read and 100% agree with the endorsements in the NYT, New Yorker, and the Atlantic. But reading them I couldn’t help being like… who is this for? Is it for me to nod along with? That’s not helpful… I don’t really need the NYT editorial board to explain why Trump is terrible. Is ANY potential Trump voter remotely persuaded by this? I don’t think so! I think they see these endorsements as elite media grandstanding at best, and a sign of the untrustworthiness of these sources at worst. (Now, does declining to endorse win back any of that trust? I doubt it. But I think that’s what they are going for— an attempt at some kind of humility like, admitting that nobody who is on the fence in this election really cares what the WaPo editorial board thinks)
So does that mean that Fox News or the NY Post won't be endorsing anyone either? To me it sounds that the LAT and WaPo see some writing on the wall and don't want to piss off Trump if he wins the election.
I am kinda persuaded by this. Where is the one person in the universe who was waiting to hear from the Post before deciding how to cast his vote? And don’t call them cowardly - it would have been easy enough to endorse Harris just like every other time, instead of getting the subscriber base up in arms by declaring “independence.” And while we are at it let’s give the, props for doing good news gathering and reporting, which we still need to rely on. So all you subscription-canceled folks … maybe reconsider?
Yeah I don’t plan to cancel over this. I do think the timing of this announcement is… extremely less than ideal and borderline deranged. The best time to decide to stop issuing endorsements would have been maybe like… mid 2021 or something?
I don’t think media political endorsements are effective at persuasion in any direction. But I do see them as touchstones of personal reality. When a touchstone is suddenly gone, it’s as if you were transported to the future and when you make your way back home and it’s just different and the warmly remembered core of your existence no longer warms you and you have to reconnoiter the grounds and find what’s what and what’s where and who can you trust now. It’s unsettling and disturbing and if discovered to be the result of one or another unnecessary human failing instead of normal aging behavior, then it can also be enraging.
I guess I’ll… sort of… defend this. I read and 100% agree with the endorsements in the NYT, New Yorker, and the Atlantic. But reading them I couldn’t help being like… who is this for? Is it for me to nod along with? That’s not helpful… I don’t really need the NYT editorial board to explain why Trump is terrible. Is ANY potential Trump voter remotely persuaded by this? I don’t think so! I think they see these endorsements as elite media grandstanding at best, and a sign of the untrustworthiness of these sources at worst. (Now, does declining to endorse win back any of that trust? I doubt it. But I think that’s what they are going for— an attempt at some kind of humility like, admitting that nobody who is on the fence in this election really cares what the WaPo editorial board thinks)
So does that mean that Fox News or the NY Post won't be endorsing anyone either? To me it sounds that the LAT and WaPo see some writing on the wall and don't want to piss off Trump if he wins the election.
They just lost a lot of customers judging by posts on Hax’s chat.
I am kinda persuaded by this. Where is the one person in the universe who was waiting to hear from the Post before deciding how to cast his vote? And don’t call them cowardly - it would have been easy enough to endorse Harris just like every other time, instead of getting the subscriber base up in arms by declaring “independence.” And while we are at it let’s give the, props for doing good news gathering and reporting, which we still need to rely on. So all you subscription-canceled folks … maybe reconsider?
Yeah I don’t plan to cancel over this. I do think the timing of this announcement is… extremely less than ideal and borderline deranged. The best time to decide to stop issuing endorsements would have been maybe like… mid 2021 or something?
I don’t think media political endorsements are effective at persuasion in any direction. But I do see them as touchstones of personal reality. When a touchstone is suddenly gone, it’s as if you were transported to the future and when you make your way back home and it’s just different and the warmly remembered core of your existence no longer warms you and you have to reconnoiter the grounds and find what’s what and what’s where and who can you trust now. It’s unsettling and disturbing and if discovered to be the result of one or another unnecessary human failing instead of normal aging behavior, then it can also be enraging.