My husband often says, "Think about your high school graduating class and consider those who went into law enforcement." Not valedictorians, no, but the only one I know of for sure (from my daughter's class, as mine was 60 years ago and 1,000 miles away) is a School Resource Officer with our PD--definitely not an intellectual giant, but doing a great job.
How about being handcuffed and locked in a room with members of the victim's family for 15 minutes, with no questions asked after the door to the room is opened.
The brutal rousting of the old man is doubly disgusting to me, after the support from Hmong in our fuckup in Viet Nam. Much like the treatment of our Afghan and Iraqi support more recently.I
There is a master plan: take over the US by force and as many other countries as possible, and establish a regime that is passed down from generation to generation. Ice can be used to take other countries if possible. The question is, where the hell is Congress?
I respectfully disagree: Most MCs don't think that consequences apply to them. Whether insider trading of stocks or canoodling on the Appalachian Trail, they honestly believe they are above being held responsible for their actions.
Yes, the MSM has a lot to answer for, most especially that when he was president, Biden's coverage was non existent. We were all too focused on Trump's shenanigans. So all the good that the Biden administration accomplished was buried under the effluvia of the tiny handed tyrant who took control of the narrative when no one else did. We have to do better. Lies must be called out. Violence must be condemned. And the weak-kneed democrats must re-impose the rule of law and hold these criminals accountable.
Biden did wonders in getting legislation passed. Then it took way too long to get stuff done. That and not getting a comprehensive China deal was a real slow motion disaster.
I wonder if my unemployed daughter, who is eminently qualified but cannot find work, could join ICE just long enough to collect the signing bonus and put in for student loan repayment, then resign.
honestly I didn't understand what you found vulgar for a while, and then I thought well that's quite a stretch, but then I remembered you insisting a comic strip character was referring to a teens chest when he complimented her shirt. dirty is in the eye of the beholder.
Agreed. Apparently, many of you have dirty minds. The metaphor “gaping hole” does not conjure in my mind anything different when talking about transgender issues than it would if the discussion purported to be about women’s issues. Oh, Lordy, are you all there, too? (Fans self daintily.) On the other hand, “gaping hole “ in the context of the Orange One, I would chortle along.
I grew up in a different time when the first time I heard someone say " sh..t" was in college and the f word was even later. I think the headline didn't make much sense but I didn't see anything vulgar about it and had to guess what the reference was. Maybe guys have more slang words for women than us elderly women do?
hahaha..I suspect you're right! Remember how we used to ask guys, what they were thinking? Now we know and I'm much more PLEASE STOP telling us. Gene has been particularly guilty in this. I can't wear underwear now without thinking how he's told us what he's thinking And it grosses me out
Yes, it’s juvenile. Yes, you have to have a bit of a dirty mind to see it. I have no idea whether it was intentional, a complete accident, or Freudian. The onus is on the headline writer to not open the door for such interpretations. This does require an eye that can catch them, and there is no shame in having one. The only shame would be in finding it witty, or clever, or in appropriate taste given the subject matter.
That's pretty much what I was going to say. Even if only 10% of readers would have the Beavis-and-Butthead reaction, it's a copy editor's job to have a dirty mind and anticipate that 10% and fix the hed. Long ago, in my copy editing days, somebody submitted as a hed "Viet vets hit the slopes." OK, it was about skiing, and how many people now recall that "slope" was a racial slur back during the Vietnam war? But I was glad I fixed that.
I thought it was because the NVA were perceived as having sloped foreheads? But you were there, you'd be a better source than I would. Thanks for your service.
If I had seen that headline, I would have had an asthma attack from laughing too hard. Your observation underlines why Empress Pat Myers was one of the best copy editors around. A dirty mind is a requirement when dealing with Losers.
It gets worse. The only reason that ChongLy Thao had a blanket was that one of his family members threw it over his shoulders as he was being marched out of his house. It just demonstrates ICE's total contempt for others.
I read somewhere, I think from the Slate journalist who got hired apparently by accident, that the signing bonus is disbursed only after 5 years of employment. Sounds like another empty promise.
The chilling part about "total immunity" for ICE agents is this is coming from an administration that is protecting pedophiles by blocking release of the Epstein files.
I was driving a cab during the early to mid-'70s, during the time of the Watergate hearings (Rodino, Sam Erwin, et al.). During a slow afternoon, waiting on line at a train station curb, a couple of us got talking about politics. My buddy Dominic said something I never forgot: "Nixon -- shit, Nixon oughta be stood up against a wall and get shot -- BY SIX CONVICTS!" (It was 100% spontaneous, and I still laugh about that.)
But I do wonder about the consequences for those (in government and elsewhere) directly enabling DT, let alone for amorphous institutions like "the mainstream media." Imagining them all being executed, preferably violently, has a visceral appeal... but I don't know that it actually makes much sense. Imprisoning them for life? Well, then they're just up for pardoning later...
Maybe there could be something modeled along the lines of an extreme witness-protection program: they get shuttled off to anonymous jobs in Podunk as mechanics, Walmart greeters, that sort of thing -- shorn of their legal names, their Social Security numbers, their bank accounts and credit cards. Maybe just a touch of electroshock or pharmaceutical therapy, enough to obliterate their own knowledge of who they are... and subject them to the same kinds of everlasting scorn and indifference that they once rained down on others.
Well, to be fair-they probably aren’t spending a lot repaying student loans…
I had the same thought.
Maybe if they are instrumental in deporting a college student, they get that person’s student loan payments.
Maybe they get a bonus if they don't ever attend college and hence require a student loan.
My husband often says, "Think about your high school graduating class and consider those who went into law enforcement." Not valedictorians, no, but the only one I know of for sure (from my daughter's class, as mine was 60 years ago and 1,000 miles away) is a School Resource Officer with our PD--definitely not an intellectual giant, but doing a great job.
Decades ago, Kurt Vonnegut wrote an essay about the gut-punch realization that people he went to high school with were now running the country.
Proposal: an American citizen arrested by ICE gets restitution of $10K plus $1K per day detained. Arresting ICE officers get a week unpaid suspension.
If someone says "I'm a citizen", the agent's probable cause to believe they are not should be solid enough to be willing to bet a week's salary on.
I was thinking more like 100,000 for the occurrence, coming directly out of officers pockets
The probability of any ICE agent on the line having the resources to pay a $100K fine????
Eh, garnishee their salaries, take their house, car, whatever. Even a crappy house would sell for $100K.
How about being handcuffed and locked in a room with members of the victim's family for 15 minutes, with no questions asked after the door to the room is opened.
The brutal rousting of the old man is doubly disgusting to me, after the support from Hmong in our fuckup in Viet Nam. Much like the treatment of our Afghan and Iraqi support more recently.I
Nobody is coming to save us.
We used to live in Wisconsin. I couldn't believe how terribly some people treated the Hmong.
Small Hmong community here. Not heard any negative rumblings. Hope it stays that way. Who knows what the magats or other bigots are doing unseen.
I don't know if this country is worth saving.
If we don't try to save it, how can we look at ourselves in the mirror?
There is a master plan: take over the US by force and as many other countries as possible, and establish a regime that is passed down from generation to generation. Ice can be used to take other countries if possible. The question is, where the hell is Congress?
Send us some Congress members who are not MAGAs. (Signed, disenfranchised DC citizen.)
I have heard speculation that MCs are terrified by the thought of Il Douche encouraging the whacky MAGAts to do violence to the MCs' families.
I respectfully disagree: Most MCs don't think that consequences apply to them. Whether insider trading of stocks or canoodling on the Appalachian Trail, they honestly believe they are above being held responsible for their actions.
I lean towards your position. The speculation came from a source I trust.
We need the Congress that voted on the sex files.
Yes, the MSM has a lot to answer for, most especially that when he was president, Biden's coverage was non existent. We were all too focused on Trump's shenanigans. So all the good that the Biden administration accomplished was buried under the effluvia of the tiny handed tyrant who took control of the narrative when no one else did. We have to do better. Lies must be called out. Violence must be condemned. And the weak-kneed democrats must re-impose the rule of law and hold these criminals accountable.
Biden did wonders in getting legislation passed. Then it took way too long to get stuff done. That and not getting a comprehensive China deal was a real slow motion disaster.
Any editor who has been around for more than a week or two should have ruled out "gaping hole" as a cliché regardless of the situation.
Reminds me of Rabelais.
I wonder if my unemployed daughter, who is eminently qualified but cannot find work, could join ICE just long enough to collect the signing bonus and put in for student loan repayment, then resign.
I have fantasies.
I figured that ICE was so misogynistic that they wouldn't take her application.
Take a look at this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/14/slate-reporter-ice-job-offer
I think they are hiring anybody with a pulse, handing them a gun and a bulletproof vest and saying "Now go git them aliens!"
She could also function as a spy. But that would be dangerous.
What’s with the mutual exclusivity of the poll? The headline could have been deliberate and you could have a dirty mind.
A joy and A comfort is a dirty mind.
honestly I didn't understand what you found vulgar for a while, and then I thought well that's quite a stretch, but then I remembered you insisting a comic strip character was referring to a teens chest when he complimented her shirt. dirty is in the eye of the beholder.
I have to agree. I thought it was a stretch.
Agreed. Apparently, many of you have dirty minds. The metaphor “gaping hole” does not conjure in my mind anything different when talking about transgender issues than it would if the discussion purported to be about women’s issues. Oh, Lordy, are you all there, too? (Fans self daintily.) On the other hand, “gaping hole “ in the context of the Orange One, I would chortle along.
I grew up in a different time when the first time I heard someone say " sh..t" was in college and the f word was even later. I think the headline didn't make much sense but I didn't see anything vulgar about it and had to guess what the reference was. Maybe guys have more slang words for women than us elderly women do?
hahaha..I suspect you're right! Remember how we used to ask guys, what they were thinking? Now we know and I'm much more PLEASE STOP telling us. Gene has been particularly guilty in this. I can't wear underwear now without thinking how he's told us what he's thinking And it grosses me out
Trump does not have the wherewithal to do anything but to showboat and scrounge for ratings.
His performances are directed by those driving his whims. Bondi, Hegseth, Noem ... are only the supporting actors.
Miller, Vought, Vance, Netanyahu, Putin ... write the book that scripts the policies.
Fox delivers the last word to set up the next scene.
I had a sociology professor in college who said "there is a fine line between the police and the policed." And this was 40 years ago.
Yes, it’s juvenile. Yes, you have to have a bit of a dirty mind to see it. I have no idea whether it was intentional, a complete accident, or Freudian. The onus is on the headline writer to not open the door for such interpretations. This does require an eye that can catch them, and there is no shame in having one. The only shame would be in finding it witty, or clever, or in appropriate taste given the subject matter.
That's pretty much what I was going to say. Even if only 10% of readers would have the Beavis-and-Butthead reaction, it's a copy editor's job to have a dirty mind and anticipate that 10% and fix the hed. Long ago, in my copy editing days, somebody submitted as a hed "Viet vets hit the slopes." OK, it was about skiing, and how many people now recall that "slope" was a racial slur back during the Vietnam war? But I was glad I fixed that.
I was in Vietnam and never understood that one.
I thought it was because the NVA were perceived as having sloped foreheads? But you were there, you'd be a better source than I would. Thanks for your service.
If I had seen that headline, I would have had an asthma attack from laughing too hard. Your observation underlines why Empress Pat Myers was one of the best copy editors around. A dirty mind is a requirement when dealing with Losers.
It gets worse. The only reason that ChongLy Thao had a blanket was that one of his family members threw it over his shoulders as he was being marched out of his house. It just demonstrates ICE's total contempt for others.
I read somewhere, I think from the Slate journalist who got hired apparently by accident, that the signing bonus is disbursed only after 5 years of employment. Sounds like another empty promise.
The chilling part about "total immunity" for ICE agents is this is coming from an administration that is protecting pedophiles by blocking release of the Epstein files.
I was driving a cab during the early to mid-'70s, during the time of the Watergate hearings (Rodino, Sam Erwin, et al.). During a slow afternoon, waiting on line at a train station curb, a couple of us got talking about politics. My buddy Dominic said something I never forgot: "Nixon -- shit, Nixon oughta be stood up against a wall and get shot -- BY SIX CONVICTS!" (It was 100% spontaneous, and I still laugh about that.)
But I do wonder about the consequences for those (in government and elsewhere) directly enabling DT, let alone for amorphous institutions like "the mainstream media." Imagining them all being executed, preferably violently, has a visceral appeal... but I don't know that it actually makes much sense. Imprisoning them for life? Well, then they're just up for pardoning later...
Maybe there could be something modeled along the lines of an extreme witness-protection program: they get shuttled off to anonymous jobs in Podunk as mechanics, Walmart greeters, that sort of thing -- shorn of their legal names, their Social Security numbers, their bank accounts and credit cards. Maybe just a touch of electroshock or pharmaceutical therapy, enough to obliterate their own knowledge of who they are... and subject them to the same kinds of everlasting scorn and indifference that they once rained down on others.
There's always CECOT.
The irony would be sweet, wouldn't it? A cage of their own making!
Gene doesn't believe in Karma. If Karma does exist, I think she's a bitch.
Yeah. All the evidence of Karma points that way!